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PostSubject: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:37 pm

Muslims like to claim that the Jews and the Christians corrupted their scripture.

They say that based on the Quran.

But what about the Quran itself.

Was it changed during the time.
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So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'
Bukhari 6:61:510


That proved that the Quran has changed
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:11 pm

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(That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'

You just answered your own question. Here's the story

Uthman first of all talked to the most important 3 people that were said to have completely memorized the quran(They were not really considered as quraishis because quraishis were really called the nonbelievers). He wanted to ask them if it was possible to gather all of these manuscripts and tablets and make the official copy of the quran from the prophet's made book. Second of all Uthman didn't put all these manuscripts together, he actually took the exact copy of the prophet's quran and manuscripts and put it all together into one quran. He burned all these other manuscripts because of any forms of changes that could have happened later on in the future. Also the quran never changes and allah has all the ideals of protecting his words.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:19 pm

Abdullah50 wrote:
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(That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'

You just answered your own question. Here's the story

Uthman first of all talked to the most important 3 people that were said to have completely memorized the quran(They were not really considered as quraishis because quraishis were really called the nonbelievers). He wanted to ask them if it was possible to gather all of these manuscripts and tablets and make the official copy of the quran from the prophet's made book. Second of all Uthman didn't put all these manuscripts together, he actually took the exact copy of the prophet's quran and manuscripts and put it all together into one quran. He burned all these other manuscripts because of any forms of changes that could have happened later on in the future. Also the quran never changes and allah has all the ideals of protecting his words.

That's the best answer I've heard 50, though I am going to do a little more research here. My memory is blank in this area of our history, but that is one hundred percent fact. And that is simply the answer to Secularist's arugment. Or does Secularist have more? I would love to see an going debate.

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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:22 pm

I'm the same as well I'm actually looking forward to this. Currently doing research as well xD
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:34 pm

Well I heard that Aisha had a claim about some verses but there was not enough witnesses.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:35 pm

Secularist wrote:
Well I heard that Aisha had a claim about some verses but there was not enough witnesses.

I'll see into that brother, inshallah we'll find the answers to your questions.

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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:37 pm

Secularist wrote:
Well I heard that Aisha had a claim about some verses but there was not enough witnesses.

Aisha had the quran of the prophet himself written and revised by the sahabas. The witnesses were basically the sahabas and they were good enough witnesses. Also another form of witnesses were also the elders that you mentioned earlier because they knew the quran by heart
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:01 pm

The Quran is the only book to not have been altered. It's a fact. Even Westerners (not stubborn ones) admit it hasn't changed. As for the bible, there is a new version out every year to suit the people's needs. Tehre's even a bible now that is targeted for teenagers and uses slang like yo, sup, nm, g2g, wats cookin, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:20 am

Salam secularist Very Happy

I think u answered ur own question,
and if i am mistaken then could u please rephrase it?
thnx
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:48 am

Assalamulaykum,

People have tried countless number of times to find changes in the Qu'ran. There have been no changes. The oldest Qu'ran in the world is said to be in the historic, yet famous city of Samarquand (Samarkand), Uzbekistan. Another very old Qu'ran copy is in the Topkapi Palace of Turkey FTOC (Formerly the Ottoman Caliphate). People have compared line by line, word by word, the meanings of the sentences, and to this day the Qu'ran copies being printed in the modern Printing Presses are the exact same from those 1300 year old copies.

Hence, this is not only just sufficient proof that Allah is protecting the Qu'ran, but also that the Qu'ran is the final revelation from Allah.

Alhumdullilah.

Allah Hafiz
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:17 pm

Assalamulaykum,


So yes the Qu'ran was preserved and there is no doubt about that and will be forever...



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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:56 pm

Asslamualikum, The word "Khul" which means say is used in many places in the Quran. Some person tried to prove that the Quran can be changed, and challenged it...so he proposed that since the word "Khul" was used to tell the Prophet (SAW) to tell his companions something, this good for nothing person tried to convince us Muslims to accept his new book, in which he removed the word Khul from the Quran. I think he called his book The Green Book, now the question, was that accepted, NO...why not..cause we did not accept it...and because Allah said that the Quran is gonna remain unchanged. The Quran has never changed, and will never change.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:54 pm

Assalamulaykum,

Brother I don't now who told you this incredibly funny lie.

I've never heard of this silly "The Green Book" nonsense.

In fact the only times I heard of this "The Green Book" was when I read that Muammar Al-Gaddafi wrote a book called that. However, it had nothing to do with religion, and it only talked about how socialism was good and how democracy was a bad system.

The other "The Green Book" was used by the Provisional Irish Republican Army in Northern Ireland, because it was a Training Manual.

*Laughing* *THIS IS SO HILARIOUS*

Finally the last "The Green Book" I heard about was like about protecting the environment, by Elizabeth Rogers and Thomas M. Kostigen.

So basically, one about politics, another about a training manual, and then one protecting the environment. Though, not one talking about religion or relating to it!

LOL!

I Doubt this even happened...I never heard of it. I tried looking it up everywhere, and guess what?

I found a lot of "Green Books" one talking about children's welfare, immunizations, and market research companies.

Then there was one by Ayatollah Khomeini, talking about his fatwas.
And we all know fatwas are just sermons/speeches.

Brother, again who told you this nonsense was a fool. I'm sorry.

However if it did happen, it just has to show how the muslims quickly rejected it, and how quickly the book was discarded.

Alhumdullah!

Allah is protecting the Qu'ran.

Allah Hafiz
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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Was Quran preserved   Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:36 pm

Wow, romi topi, ever heard of the word, concise? Wink
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