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PostSubject: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:33 pm

Assalamulaykum

Sometimes people are willing to go to a great extent to convince the reader that what they are saying is right. And most of the time, to do that, the facts are distorted on purpose and the bigger picture is never truly shown. One such example is this site i was forwarded:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm

Not only are these comments insulting to Islam but they are extremely aggressive. And in an effort to defend Islam and it is my duty and urs to do so, and stop this misinformation and twisting of facts, we should go through and explain all of these questions. And Inshallah the writer himself will come to a realization of how mistaken he really is.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:39 pm

Assalamwa'alikum,

The first question is as follows:

Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?

So basically what the author is saying is that you cannot use embryology as an argument to prove that the Quran is from God because Galen, Samuel ha-Yehudi and Hippocrates had already discovered and published all of the things that the Quran mentions about embryology.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:56 am

Salaams,

I briefly looked at the website you posted...and I was surprised. All of the things he posted are without evidence or a bunch of lies.

They arn't even coherent. He jumps from paganism to ancient fertility cult... Which doesn't even make any sense. Obviously this guy must be doing it on purpose...
This sick-minded maniac... doesn't even know what Islam is about.

This "Brother Andrew" who wrote this... left his email: Andi@Bible.ca


the link that contain's his email:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/email-brother-andrew.htm

Don't worry, there is already somebody here who might investigate this further...

For now... lol... so much "lies" he has written... & the lies are so haywire that he must have done it on purpose

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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:36 am

whats wrong with it?
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:54 pm

jonescomplete wrote:
whats wrong with it?

they're all answerable lolz... and we're doing just that.

Question 1: http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html#0

Question 2: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=100
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:42 pm

Assalamulaykum

The answer to

Question 13: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/crucify.html



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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:22 pm

lolz... we're tryin to topi head but i think u kinda mssd it up lolz
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:29 pm

Assalamulaykum

I thinks its alright...I found the perfect answer for # 13...

So far we have:

Answers to...

Question 1: http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html#0
Question 2: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=100


Question 13: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/crucify.html
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:28 pm

Romi Topi wrote:
Assalamulaykum

I thinks its alright...I found the perfect answer for # 13...

So far we have:

Answers to...

Question 1: http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html#0
Question 2: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=100


Question 13: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/crucify.html

Topi,

Understand that, we're not here to link the answers to our audience. Instead we should explain it to our audience. At the end we'll complie our answers and publish it in a pdf format. It would be better if you got information from a book than a link. Thank you! As soon as we get more members, I have a feeling we'll have to revamp this thread and start over.

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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:10 pm

Assalamulaykum


Fine....agreed....However lets still try to organize the material, and then we will have a group of selected knowledgeable members review the links.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:07 pm

ASA

I have a possible answer to question 4.

4. Firstly, the Qur’an is not corrupt because in every copy, the Arabic text remains the same. The English text is often different because, as is the case when translating between languages, the meaning of the original word can often be supplied by multiple words. Secondly, when Muslims claim that the Bible is “corrupt”, we mean that the ideas and messages that the Bible is conveying are corrupt.

I hope it helps Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:33 pm

Assalamulaykum

I think this link is pretty helpful:

THIS

however the answer to some of the questions can be presented in a much better manner, although I do think that our muslim friend has done an amazing job
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:30 am

Brothers, Sisters,

Wardah, Saad, Annas, Mujtaba. Before any of you guys post anything, understand this, posting links will not help us in proving our point. Whenever you argue or debate you collect the worthy opponent's words and then pick on the points which were an incorrect portrayal of Islam. I'm not saying I am right, but try to follow my example. Annas I personally think that Osama from Answering Christianity, has a few things to work on. He needs to understand that his audience cannot consist of only Muslims if he wants to attract people from a broad spectrum of all faiths. I want you to see how I argue and I try to see if you can benefit in any way. I've argued with Hindus, Atheists, Gamers, and the Arrogant (Oh Especially these them).
Let’s first start of with what he says on the heading of his website.

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Asking Questions of Information Control Cults.

The Islamic religion is an information control cult, like Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and International Churches of Christ. Information control cults usually have cute terms to describe materials that are hostile to their religion. The buzzword for Catholics is "Protestant teaching". The buzzword for Jehovah’s Witnesses is "Babylon teaching" or "apostate materials" and for ICOC, the term is "spiritual pornography". You will notice that each of the cults below make statements that are basically identical. All false religions react negatively when basic common sense questions are asked of them and Islam is no exception.

Interesting he juxtaposes Islam next to the Christian denominations he does not want associate himself with. Why? We know right away that he is not doing this out of honesty. He has put Islam in his ‘hate groups’. What tells you this? Look at the type of diction he uses; ‘have cute terms’, ‘buzzword’ are a few. Now let’s look at his whole argument all together. He says this for each of the following:

Jehovah Witness: “Babylon Teaching”
Catholics: “Protestant Teaching”
ICOC: “Spiritual Pornography”
Islam: ?

He doesn’t have a buzzword for Islam, because Islam unlike all the other religions doesn’t have a catchphrase! Apparently Islam is no exception. Let’s see where he makes this appararent.

He goes on to say quote these people of OUR TIME:

For Jehovah’s Witness:

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1983 "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)

"Have No Dealings With Apostates, ... For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: `It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.' In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt." (Watchtower, March 15, 1986 p12)

For the ICOC:

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"Even ‘spiritual pornography’ has found its way onto the information superhighway. Instead of building lives for God, enemies of the church and disgruntled former members are uniting to attack the Kingdom and destroy people's faith. They present their ‘facts’ and their ‘stories’ in such a way as to picture the church as an abusive, authoritative, greedy and evil cult. Of course, the danger in reading such material is that only one side is presented in personal stories of hurt, and no way exists to ever learn the other side." (Al Baird, World Sector Leader, You’ve Got Mail, kingdomnewsnet.org, May 25, 1999)

"You know, there is a proliferation – literally, throughout the world – of not only anti-cult material – little packets, but booklets, books, videos. Preston Shepherd calls this stuff ‘spiritual pornography’…. Some people say, ‘Well, hold it. If you're strong enough – if there isn't anything wrong in this stuff, then why shouldn't I read these anti-Boston materials?’ Well, let me ask you this: you've been a Christian for a while, and prayerfully you're strong in the Lord. Why can't you just open a Playboy and just see how it goes? Let me tell you something – I've been a Christian for 17 years, I don't dare get close to one. And you shouldn't get close to that spiritual pornography, the thing that's driving you there is curiosity, that is Satan – get it out of the house." (Kip McKean, World leader, They Hated the Dreamer, August 25, 1989)

And let’s see what he quotes for Islam:

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"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).

"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad’s reaction to hostile questioners.)

What? Did he choose to quote our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who made this statement 1400 years ago? And did he quote the revelation of the Quran? Why didn’t he quote the Bible that Catholics and Jehovah’s Witness use? Cause the Bible they use is the same Bible he reads out of, the only difference is in just a several number of the books. The Protestants have 66 books while the Catholics have 73. He can’t quote out of the Bible, so he quotes Historians of present day, and he goes so far back in time to quote the founder of Islam: Allah and his apostle.

However, when we look at the ‘Hadith’ he quoted, he has combined two Hadtihs into one. Why? Lets find out by looking at the first Hadith he quoted, which by the way is incorrectly given by it’s reference. More correctly:

(Remember my friends always use reference numbers to quote something)

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Volume:1 Book :3 (Knowledge)Number :92 [Shahih Al-Bhukhari]

Narrated Abu Musa:

The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry. He then said to the people, "Ask me anything you like." A man asked, "Who is my father?" The Prophet replied, "Your father is Hudhafa." Then another man got up and said, "Who is my father, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "Your father is Salim, Maula (the freed slave) of Shaiba." So when 'Umar saw that (the anger) on the face of the Prophet he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We repent to Allah (Our offending you)."

Let’s look at this first Hadith. We see the prophet was getting upset cause people were in the midst of asking him questions. Why would our prophet get angry if they asked him questions? Is he not the Prophet Allah ordained for humanity? When we look at this Hadith, we see that less than half of the words were used in the post that was submitted. Now analyze this Hadith. What does it say? Simply a few men ask Muhammad, what we would perceive today as “Who’s your daddy?” and “Who’s my daddy?” Who do you think asked him these questions? The Muslims should know the answer. The Jews and the Munafiqs were asking him questions which had no relation to Islam to test the Prophet’s (PBUH) patience and tolerance. If you went to your mother today and you asked her “Who’s my daddy?” several times over and over again, do you think she’ll take it as a joke? Asking who your dad today is actually considered to be a taunt! Lets look at the other Hadith he quotes of context and which he attaches ‘as one’ with the first hadtih;

“Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions”

Wait why with the ‘dot dot dot’. He didn’t even do a good job in fabricating his lie. Instead he copied this from someone else on another website and claimed it as if he was quoting it without even regarding the grammar and structure of the Hadith. How keen! Indeed! Let actually find out what the true Hadith actually is:

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Narrated by Mughira bin Shu’ba (RA): The Prophet (SAW) said “Allah has forbidden for you:(1) to be undutiful to your mothers, (2) to bury your daughters alive, (3) not to pay the rights of the poor and others (i.e. charity) and (4) to beg of men. And Allah has hated for you: (1) Qil and Qal (sinful and useless talk, like backbiting or that one talks too much about others), (2) to ask too many questions (in disputed religious matters, etc.), (3) to waste your wealth (by extravagance with lack of wisdom and thinking).” [Sahih Al-Bukhari]

Once again, did the prophet say that out of anger when being asked questions? This is a completely different scenario. Once again he fails to convince us as his audience. Why did he misquote a Hadith and treat it as part of the first Hadith he quoted? This just goes to show you that he failed in the introduction to his website. But as Muslims we wonder, why would Muhammad (PBUH) tell us not ask too many questions? Actually Muhammad (PBUH) told us:

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“To seek knowledge is compulsory on each and every Muslim”

I don’t need to give reference to this Hadith, because this is the most famous Hadith of all. Education is a must, asking questions to gain that knowledge is a must. When Muhammad (PBUH) tells us not to ask too many questions, he is actually referring to this verse in the Quran.

Now read this in context:
Surah Maidah, [Chapter 5] (The Table Spread, Verses are in Listed Order Below)

Quote :
99. The Messenger's duty is but to proclaim (the message). But Allah knoweth all that ye reveal and ye conceal.

100. Say: "Not equal are things that are bad and things that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle thee; so fear Allah, O ye that understand; that (so) ye may prosper."

101. O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qurán is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Forbearing.

102. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

103. It was not Allah who instituted (superstitions like those of) a slit-ear she- camel, or a she-camel let loose for free pasture, or idol sacrifices for twin-births in animals, or stallion-camels freed from work: It is the disbelievers who invent a lie against Allah. but most of them lack wisdom.

104. When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed; come to the Messenger.": They say: "Enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following." What! even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?

If you read all the verses what is Allah telling us, the Muslims, the Jews, and the Munafiqs?
When Allah revealed the Quran a certain number of people would come to Muhammad (PBUH) and ask him questions repeatedly without surrendering, cause they wanted to make ‘sure’ he was the prophet. Allah states in these verses that though the verses were made clear to the people they insisted asking him questions. As Yusuf Ali quotes:

“Many secrets were/are wisely hidden from us. If the future were known to us, we need not necessarily be happy. In many cases we should be miserable. If the inner meaning of some of the things we see before our eyes were disclosed to us, it might case a lot of mischief. God’s message, in so far as it is necessary for shaping our conduct, is plain and open to us. But there are many things too deep for us to understand, either individually or collectively. It would be foolish to pry into them, as some foolish people tried to do in the time of the Apostle. We should never pass the bounds of (1) our own capacity to understand. (2) The time and occasion when we ask questions and (3) the part of the Universal Plan which it is God’s purpose to reveal to us.”

If people asked Muhammad (PBUH) how come there are different variety of children, why does Allah not tell us why that works, how do mutations come about, does Allah forsake us? Imagine how are Nabi (PBUH) put up with these questions. And by the way, he answered these questions.  Anyways I have debunked the first portion of his website. This is how you should show the absurdities in these websites. You cannot counter them with links, but your own intelligent judgment.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:47 am

I've noticed there being several off topic/SPAM posts from Jones complete... Seriously, STAY ON TOPIC. If you want a debate section, you'll get one. But this is definetly not the place to do it. Thank You.

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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:56 pm

Now since I have finished clearing up the introduction to his website, let me continue to what he further says:

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Islam is an information control cult!

Although in the Westerm world, Islam cannot enable their information control as they do in Muslim controlled countries, there is still significant misinformation that Muslims believe about the Bible and Christianity. As you can see from the three quotes above, Muslims are forbidden to question Islamic faith, and are expected to accept its truthfulness blindly without investigation.

Absolutely not. Information control? We have imam's, religious police, and minors misquoting the Quran everyday. Do we actually blindly accept? No. We were told by our prophet:

“To seek knowledge is compulsory on each and every Muslim”

To even go far to investigate what the Quran has put forth. Muslims were told to practice Itijhad (Critical Thinking). That's why if you investigate my first post, you misquoted the Hadith and the took the Quranic verse of 101 of Surah Maidah out of it's context. That is serious crime and is considered to be forgery. It is actually in the Christian religion where knowledge is impermissible. When Adam and Eve ate the apple they discovered that they were naked, and that led them to shame. Furthermore it is just recently during the 1700s, when the French Revolution took place did people revise the Bible, and changed their philosophy of knowledge, that reason and knowledge was beyond faith. Actually the author of the Independence of Declaration had this to say about the Bible:

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"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills."

--Thomas Jefferson; Father of the United States

If there is something that we so blindly follow that wrong, tell us, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Wink

Continuing, you say:

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Muhammad understood that information was the main enemy of his newly invented religion. In many Muslim controlled nations, for example, young men are paid to learn NOTHING but the Koran to the exclusion of science and history and current world events. They are told this is all they need, but in reality they are brainwashed and basic world information is deliberately withheld from them.

You name me two Hafiz's (men who have memorized the Quran) you know that are millionaire current day. Most of them lead inferior lives to what you earn on a daily basis. They do it for Islam not for money. You tell me why Barack Obama does not live in a big house. He went to an Islamic school in Indonesia. For 2 hours everyday he learned something about Islam. Go ahead tell me if he lives in an estate. Smile Also look up www.irf.com. This is an Islamic school where you are taught Islam. To learn the Quran you have to pay 48,000 Rupees. Imagine that, and you say we're getting paid? Are we really excluded from science if we learn the Quran? I learn the Quran and read it everyday. But I'm not excluded from my studies. And the Quran has science in itself, fancy this:

Embryology
Hyrdology
Astrology
Ecology
Biology
Zoology

I can keep going but I will stop there.

He goes on to say:

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Although Muslims in the Western world will claim Islam is an open religion, the fact remains that they contradict the actions of their brethren in Muslim controlled nations. In other words, actions speak louder than words! Remember, if Islam is such an open religion, why are Christians harassed and murdered in all countries where Muslims are in control of the civil governments.


Why are you equating Islam with human beings? Yes I will agree we have dictators and leaders of our countries who are not as 'democratic' as your leaders. At least we don't have 25 million homosexual (talking about males) in your country: The U.S. of A Wink, nor do we have family problems due to alcohol abuse. Then again back to our topic. We do believe in a level of control just like the United States, but through democratic ruling. The United States instated the death row from the 1930s and the Democrats disagreed with the decision, but more Americans were for it than against it. The Democrats lost. In recent day we do have governments are not equal in their say and too forceful, but is that because of Islam? How about we look at these famous Christians of our time:

Rasputin: Initiated orgies within the double digit number area.
Pope Ratzinger: You think if you walk into the Vatican, and take off your clothes cause you're a nudist, you think he wont do something about it? Former Nazi*.
Hitler: Incinerate 6 Million Jews
Pope Urban II: Led part of the Crusades
Pope Innocent III: Gathered a group of French Knight and headed for the Fourth Crusades.
Children's Crusade (Group): Children, young people, were led to fight warriors. You don't even see terrorist today under the age of 18.
Richard The Lion Heart: Led fights within the Judaia (Current day Palestine)

Anyways I'll write more later.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:27 pm

I agree even as a christian, that the way he (brother andrew i believe) presents his information is incredibly immature and offensive, and he should seriously consider editing the web-page. His manner is odious, in everything from the wildly pending questions that wield unethical evidence, to the just plain stupid animations, should be adjusted to formulate a more intellectual argument/conversation. If he really intends to spread christian values, this is most defiantly not the way. This disrespectful ill-constructed attempt to make an argument against Islam shows his close-minded attitude that is displayed in people who remain unaware of other cultures and religions.
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PostSubject: Re: Answers to the "60 Questions Muslims Don’t Like To Be A   Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:28 am

Continuing with my disscusion about Brother Andrew's 60 questions:

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Muhammad, in our opinion, spoke truth when he described the first reaction people had to his new religion:




"This [Islam] is nothing but a lie which he [Muhammad] has forged, and other have helped him do it... Fairy tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Surah 25:4-5)

Interesting. Muhammad (PBUH) did not speak these, words, Allah did. Also read in context. How he helped the Idol Worshippers--it seems he just did the Christians a favor. Read the Surah in context:

[The Glorious Quran, Surah 35 Al-Furqan (The Criterion), Verse 3-5]

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3
Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can, create nothing but are
themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can
they control death nor life nor resurrection.



4
But the misbelievers say: Nothing is this but a lie which he has forged, and
others have helped him at it. In truth it is they who have put forward an
iniquity and a falsehood.


5

And they say: Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: and
they are dictated before him morning and evening.

If Brother Andrew feels that what Muhammad (PBUH) told his people about worshipping one God (Allah), wouldn't they have reacted the same way if Christian misionaries preached the same thing? Andrew, when you state something, state the whole verse. How you take things out of their context.


I will continue some more later.

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